How are Hinduism and Sikhism related, considering they both originated in Punjab, India?

I wasted my whole life in the city of Shiva;

Says Kabeer, unto whom should I tell this?

— Kabir, Ramaini 1, Translated by David Lorenzen

Why am I attracted to older men?

Shvetashvatara Upanishad (6.23)

ਜਬ ਲਗੁ ਮਨਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠ ਕੀ ਆਸ ॥

ਸਾਧਸੰਗਤਿ ਬੈਕੁੰਠੈ ਆਹਿ ॥੪॥੧੦॥

How is it not psychopathic to use someone for sex, even if they agree?

Kabir, Ravidas and ultimately the NINE SIKH GURUS are a product of this very Sant Sampraday founded by Ramanandacharya!

ਗੁਰ ਪੀਰ ਮਿਲਿ ਖੁਦਿ ਖਸਮੁ ਪਛਾਨਾ ॥੫॥੩॥

From Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 1195

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ਜਿਉ ਜਲ ਛੋਡਿ ਬਾਹਰਿ ਭਇਓ ਮੀਨਾ ॥

ਜਹਾ ਜਾਈਐ ਤਹ ਜਲ ਪਖਾਨ ॥

ਗਉੜੀ ਕਬੀਰ ਜੀ ਪੰਚਪਦੇ ॥

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ਜਿਨਿ ਸਕਲ ਬਿਕਲ ਭ੍ਰਮ ਕਾਟੇ ਮੋਰ ॥

Meeting with the Guru, my Spiritual Teacher, I realize God, my Lord and Master. ||5||3||

Where millions of Vishnus bow their heads, where millions of Brahmas are reading the Vedas,

Why after 50 years of being straight do I constantly desire to suck cock?

Says Kabeer, this is what I say:

I serve the One Lord, and not any other. ||2||

The influence of Kabir is significant on Sikhism. The following Bani from Ang 1136 is attributed to GURU ARJAN DEV but if you observe at the end you can see that he was talking in the spirit of Sant Kabir.

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ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

Kabir (a weaver)

Now that my time to die has come, I have come to dwell at Magahar! ||3||

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We have searched the turaki Dharam (Turk's religion, Islam), these teachers throw many thunderbolts,

ਤਬ ਲਗੁ ਹੋਇ ਨਹੀ ਚਰਨ ਨਿਵਾਸੁ ॥੩॥

ਬੇਦ ਪੁਰਾਨ ਸਭ ਦੇਖੇ ਜੋਇ ॥

What are some other ways to say "you're welcome" in French besides "de rien"?

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

ਸਗਲ ਜਨਮੁ ਸਿਵ ਪੁਰੀ ਗਵਾਇਆ ॥

ਮੇਰਾ ਚਿਤੁ ਨ ਚਲੈ ਮਨੁ ਭਇਓ ਪੰਗੁ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

What is the best reply if your boyfriend asks you,"why do you love me?"

Kabeer: O worthless mortal, do not lose the Naam, the Name of the Lord.

Now tell me, Lord, what will my condition be?

— Kabir, II.57, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

Do you remember one day, you put a deep smile on someone's face and made them very happy?

Here ਨਿਰਗੁਣ is Nirgun and not just lord. This is just another example to show that Kabir himself continued in the NIRGUN BHAKTI path.

ਘਸਿ ਚੰਦਨ ਚੋਆ ਬਹੁ ਸੁਗੰਧ ॥

Actually, this part of the Ang 326 is widely used by McSikhs to show that Sikhism considers Hindu pilgrimages as useless and thus drives home the point again that the “religion” has got NOTHING to do with Hinduism.

What do you remember that 95% of us have forgotten?

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

Where millions of Shivas are lost in contemplation, where millions of Indras dwell in the sky,

The Saadh Sangat, the Company of the Holy, is heaven. ||4||10||

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Sain (a barber)

That Kabeer died chanting the Lord's Name. ||5||15||

If Ram be within the image which you find upon your pilgrimage,

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I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

Says Kabeer, the Guru and Ganaysha and Shiva all know

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But we have actually seen how much Kabir is also rooted in the Vedantic concept of “supreme realization” but in a non-mainstream path.

Where the demi-gods and the munis are unnumbered, where millions of Saraswatis, goddess of music play the vina,

ਕਤ ਜਾਈਐ ਰੇ ਘਰ ਲਾਗੋ ਰੰਗੁ ॥

Do liberals realise that God, who is much more powerful than them, is on the side of Trump?

My body and breath of life belong to Allah - to Raam - the God of both. ||4||

I went to God's place, and worshipped Him there.

Let's look at the views of Sant Kabir

ਕਬੀਰ ਨਿਰਗੁਣ ਨਾਮ ਨ ਰੋਸੁ ॥

ਕਾਸੀ ਮਗਹਰ ਸਮ ਬੀਚਾਰੀ ॥

Raamaanand Jee, First House:

Sadhna (a Muslim butcher) and

Ramanandacharya’s teachings were centered on pure and personal connection with the God Rama and didn’t believe in any kind of formal ritualism. He used the common vernacular language instead of Sanskrit so that everyone could understand.

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ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਮੈ ਬਲਿਹਾਰੀ ਤੋਰ ॥

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ

यस्य देवे परा भक्तिः यथा देवे तथा गुरौ । तस्यैते कथिता ह्यर्थाः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मनः प्रकाशन्ते महात्मन इति ।

ਗੁਰ ਕਾ ਸਬਦੁ ਕਾਟੈ ਕੋਟਿ ਕਰਮ ॥੩॥੧॥

ਏਕ ਦਿਵਸ ਮਨ ਭਈ ਉਮੰਗ ॥

ਕੈਸੇ ਬੂਝੈ ਜਬ ਮੋਹਿਆ ਹੈ ਮਾਇਆ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

The Sant Sampraday of Sikh panth integrates the warrior spirit of the Nihangs and Khalsa, the service of Seva panth and the renunciation of Udasi/Nirmala saints.

Kaashi and Magahar - I consider them the same.

Let’s see what Gurbani has about Ramanandacharya’s views.

My consciousness does not go out wandering. My mind has become crippled. ||1|| Pause ||

Ramananda accepted disciples without discriminating against anyone by gender, class or caste and they included even people from humble origins like

Kabir is the child of Allah and of Ram: He is my Guru, He is my Pir.

Let’s look at the most used verse by McSikhs to show that Sikhs are neither Hindus nor Muslims.

ਊਹਾਂ ਤਉ ਜਾਈਐ ਜਉ ਈਹਾਂ ਨ ਹੋਇ ॥੨॥

ਅਬ ਕਹੁ ਰਾਮ ਕਵਨ ਗਤਿ ਮੋਰੀ ॥

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹ ਕਹੀਐ ਕਾਹਿ ॥

With inadequate devotion, how can anyone swim across? ||4||

The young and the old drink milk pudding, but these fools eat the cow's body.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Sriraag / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 92

I am a sacrifice to You, O my True Guru.

— Kabir, III.2, Translated by Rabindranath Tagore

ਤੂ ਪੂਰਿ ਰਹਿਓ ਹੈ ਸਭ ਸਮਾਨ ॥

How can they kill the mother, whose milk they drink like that of a wet nurse?

ਤਜੀ ਲੇ ਬਨਾਰਸ ਮਤਿ ਭਈ ਥੋਰੀ ॥੧॥ ਰਹਾਉ ॥

All the men and women of the world are His living forms.

Ramanandacharya was a 14th-century Hindu Vaishnava devotional poet saint who amalgamated Advaita with Vaishnava Bhakti. He was the pioneer in validating NIRGUN and SAGUN Bhakti as parallel paths.

Here ਰਾਮੈ is Rama and not just lord. Kabir died chanting the name of Rama DESPITE him not finding any result of penances done in holy cities in his previous birth. Another example to show how much Kabir valued personal devotion to Rama in his own NIRGUN style.

Ravidas (a chamar shoemaker)

As mentioned above Guru Arjan Dev was talking from the perspective Sant Kabir whose views we have discussed much earlier here. We know that Sant Kabir continuing in the Ramanandi Sampradaya went further away from the mainstream ritualistic Hinduism and was journeying more towards a SEAMLESS Dharma.

I do not perform Hindu worship services, nor do I offer the Muslim prayers.

Guru Nanak (right) and Bhai Mardana (foreground) with Bhagat Kabir (left). This painting is found in the B-40 Janamsakhi, written and painted in 1733. The painting was made by Alam Chand Raj

There the streams of light flow in all directions, few are the men who can cross to that shore!

ਸੋ ਬ੍ਰਹਮੁ ਬਤਾਇਓ ਗੁਰ ਮਨ ਹੀ ਮਾਹਿ ॥੧॥

Wherever I go, I find water and stones.

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We can understand that Kabir despite being in favor of formless worship was very much embedded in the Dharmik fold but always preached in the spirit of the transcendental nature of Brahman to the point that HE LOST THE DISTINCTION BETWEEN HINDU AND MUSLIM.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

There is a reason why I mention ROOTED and thus NOT implying that it belongs to one of the numerous sects in Sanatana Dharma like Shaivism, Vaishnavism, Shaktism, Smartism etc…

I have taken the One Formless Lord into my heart; I humbly worship Him there. ||3||

CONCLUSION:

Bhakti movement began in South (Tamil Nadu to be precise) and slowly spread to Northern parts of India. This movement was extremely popular because of its simple fundamentals which could be understood by even commonfolk. Vaishnavism, Shaivism etc… were already connecting with commonfolk from a long time and this Bhakti movement reinforced it by making the devotee feel a personal connection with the deity.

I am not a Hindu, nor am I a Muslim.

The divergence of Kabir’s views from Vedanta is seen in the fact that he fully opposed religious symbolism of ALL KINDS and not just IDOLS.

I am like a fish out of water,

He who has highest Bhakti of Deva (God), just like his Deva, so for his Guru (teacher),

NOW…

From where did the word Maya come? Isn’t it a typical Vedantic concept discussed profoundly in Advaita? It definitely isn’t a concept pioneered by Kabir or even his teacher Ramanandacharya! It is ultimately from Sanatana Dharma!

Ramarchan Paddati gives more info about his teachings.

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ਓਛੀ ਭਗਤਿ ਕੈਸੇ ਉਤਰਸਿ ਪਾਰੀ ॥੪॥

He accepted even women (Sursuri and Padywati) as disciples. Bhagat Pipa and Dhanna were Rajput and Jat who were also his disciples.

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 325

I ground up sandalwood, along with several fragrant oils.

Gauree, Kabeer Jee, Panch-Padas:

then who is there to know what happens without?

ਅਲਹ ਰਾਮ ਕੇ ਪਿੰਡੁ ਪਰਾਨ ॥੪॥

I do not make pilgrimages to Mecca, nor do I worship at Hindu sacred shrines.

Sikhism is a NIRGUN path descending from the Sant Sampraday of Ramanandacharya and traces its ideas to VEDANTA!

If God be within the mosque, then to whom does this world belong?

Because in my previous life, I did not practice penance and intense meditation. ||1||

As long as the mind is filled with the desire for heaven,

ਕਹੁ ਗੁਰ ਗਜ ਸਿਵ ਸਭੁ ਕੋ ਜਾਨੈ ॥

There, where millions of Krishnas stand with hands folded,

Without looking into one's heart, how can one reach paradise?

ਬ੍ਰਹਮ is Brahm i.e the Brahman of vedanta but it gets interpreted as an all-pervading lord god.

ਪੂਜਨ ਚਾਲੀ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ਠਾਇ ॥

Where spring, the lord of seasons reigneth, there the unstruck music sounds of itself,

At the time of my death, I moved to Magahar. ||2||

ਨਾ ਹਮ ਹਿੰਦੂ ਨ ਮੁਸਲਮਾਨ ॥

You have cut through all my confusion and doubt.

The views of Kabir are very much in parallel to the Advaita philosophy and it is obvious that as the disciple of Ramanandacharya he will carry forward with his chosen NIRGUN BHAKTI.

I left Benares - I had little common sense. ||1|| Pause ||

Sikhism is fundamentally rooted in BHAKTI tradition and thus ultimately in Sanatana Dharma. There is no doubt about it despite what modern McSikh acrobatics try to claim otherwise

ਪੂਰਬ ਜਨਮ ਹਉ ਤਪ ਕਾ ਹੀਨਾ ॥੧॥

ਹਜ ਕਾਬੈ ਜਾਉ ਨ ਤੀਰਥ ਪੂਜਾ ॥

ਮਰਤੀ ਬਾਰ ਮਗਹਰਿ ਉਠਿ ਆਇਆ ॥੨॥

Look within your heart, for there you will find both Karim and Ram;

You are totally pervading and permeating in all.

Recklessly they display boundless pride while explaining their own aims, they kill cows.

One day, a desire welled up in my mind.

ਪੂਜਾ ਕਰਉ ਨ ਨਿਵਾਜ ਗੁਜਾਰਉ ॥

Raamaanand's Lord and Master is the All-pervading Lord God.

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How can people understand You, when they are entranced by Maya? ||1|| Pause ||

ਮੁਆ ਕਬੀਰੁ ਰਮਤ ਸ੍ਰੀ ਰਾਮੈ ॥੫॥੧੫॥

So in the same spirit Kabir finds pilgrimages to holy cities futile as his mind is fixated on Rama!

These morons know nothing, they wander about in ignorance,

Bhagat Kabir ji / Raag Gauri / / Guru Granth Sahib ji - Ang 326

Hari is in the East, Allah is in the West.

ਮਰਨੁ ਭਇਆ ਮਗਹਰ ਕੀ ਬਾਸੀ ॥੩॥

That God showed me the Guru, within my own mind. ||1||

I would go there, only if the Lord were not here. ||2||

To him who is high-minded, these teachings will be illuminating.

I have searched through all the Vedas and the Puraanas.

He does not dwell at the Lord's Feet. ||3||

For many years, I practiced penance and intense meditation at Kaashi;

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਸੁਆਮੀ ਰਮਤ ਬ੍ਰਹਮ ॥

One Universal Creator God. By The Grace Of The True Guru:

ਕਹੁ ਕਬੀਰ ਇਹੁ ਕੀਆ ਵਖਾਨਾ ॥

ਰਾਮਾਨੰਦ ਜੀ ਘਰੁ ੧

Where should I go? My home is filled with bliss.

Now here in this verse

ਏਕ ਨਿਰੰਕਾਰ ਲੇ ਰਿਦੈ ਨਮਸਕਾਰਉ ॥੩॥

For a superficial McSikh who is interested only in separation and not enlightenment the views of Kabir can be easily shown as a denouncement of Hindu practices.

Again we see that the originator of this Sant Sampraday himself talks about Brahman even in Gurbani.

The Word of the Guru's Shabad eradicates the karma of millions of past actions. ||3||1||

There is my Lord self-revealed, and the scent of sandal and flowers dwells in those deeps.

For him Dharma was beyond everything physical including the desire for heaven because was fully into the NIRGUN . The last verse shows that according to him the company of the enlightened Sadhus is heaven which is again a typical teaching of Sanatana Dharma.

We can see that great saints like Kabir and Ravidas etc… descended from the Ramananda sampradaya which is still the largest ascetic order in India.

ੴ ਸਤਿਗੁਰ ਪ੍ਰਸਾਦਿ ॥

ਬਹੁਤੁ ਬਰਸ ਤਪੁ ਕੀਆ ਕਾਸੀ ॥

Sant Kabir was staunchly against cow slaughter.

ਏਕੋ ਸੇਵੀ ਅਵਰੁ ਨ ਦੂਜਾ ॥੨॥